This seems to be a popular book! I read it this week as well. And I first heard about Keen from the Colbert Report, where Colbert basically got him to say that Web 2.0 is worse than Nazis. It’s a funny watch. (And this is going to be longer than assignment length again, sorry! Though a lot of it at the end is e-mails)
Anyway, this book did not start out well for me. I was flagging things left and right that I thought were unfair. He blames the Swift Boat attacks against John Kerry on blogs, which is crazy — that group was funded by millionaires who bought ads on TV. And remember the hoax story about the finger in Wendy’s chili? It also gets blamed on Web 2.0, but I’m guessing you heard about it from TV (or from someone who heard it from someone who saw it on TV).
One glaring example of one-sidedness for me was when he mentioned a Wikipedia incident where a climate scientist, William Connolley, got into a spat with some anonymous nobody on the climate change article, and Wikipedia put Connolley’s account on probation while arbitrating the dispute. That sounds bad for Wikipedia, but when I looked up the incident myself, I read that Wikipedia found in Connolley’s favor and that he’s now a site administrator there, while the anonymous guy causing trouble was banned. So instead, that looks a lot better for Wikipedia and made me unsure what other examples of Keen’s I could trust. Instead of just blasting him here for it, I decided to e-mail him asking about this incident, and the same day I got a very nice reply back that made me feel better about his willingness to concede points. I’ll post the e-mails below.
So there are things I disagree with. In fact, there are sentences that I might say myself, but that I would consider a plus while he considers them a negative. Still, things did get better in the middle of the book, and I do consider the trustworthiness of some user generated content to be a real issue. People shill for their own books on Amazon, pay for their links to be promoted by Digg users, and create sockpuppets to anonymously attack their critics, so what are we really seeing?
But I think there is good news for libraries. When they allow user generated content, these issues are less likely to appear. People in New York aren’t going to go to the St. Paul Public Library site much, so it will really be more truly community-driven. And the context of a library site is different from the context of Amazon. Amazon is just some big website that ships you books, while libraries demand by their nature to be a place of thoughtfullness and respect, and I believe that will extend to websites. Wouldn’t you feel worse attacking someone on a library page than in a worldwide forum?
The same issues could still pop up, of course, so precautions are fine. Librarians should be able to approve or deny patron book reviews, so that things like “OMG this book sux, LOL!!!1!” can be rejected. And I’m not sure how much this flags privacy concerns, but it is possible to have posts also reveal where the IP address comes from geographically. It’s not always accurate, but it’s worth considering.
My bottom line on the book is, I hope this isn’t all that 2.0 skeptics are reading, for the same reason Keen is worried about people switching from newspapers to blogs — just listening to the side you already agree with isn’t a good idea. I hope that skeptics reading this also read Wikinomics or some other such book. On the other hand, for people who are more technophiles (like I am), this book does have some good reality checks to get you thinking about how to make sure we’re doing things the right way.
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E-mails:
From me: Andrew,
I’m reading Cult of the Amateur now, and I have a critical but (I hope) polite question about it that I was wondering if you would answer. It’s primarily about the anti-Wikipedia example you gave about William Connolley being placed on parole there during an edit war with a less-informed global warming skeptic. Now, at first I thought fair enough, point against Wikipedia. But as I was going to the next page, I stopped myself and realized that you hadn’t actually detailed how that arbitration hearing ended, which made me wonder if the story has a happy ending after all that you decided to leave out. Sure enough, after looking it up, it did end in Mr. Connolley’s favor and he’s now an admin at Wikipedia, and while he’s still critical about it he does see benefits. And where did I find that information? Yes, Wikipedia itself, on Connolley’s entry, though I did click through to the New Yorker article to double check.
So I guess my question is, wouldn’t you agree that Wikipedia gives a more nuanced and even-handed description of this incident than you yourself do? And isn’t that a little ironic, given that one of your primary complaints about Web 2.0 is the lack of reliability of the information out there? I read an interview with you where you said “this is a book written for a mainstream, non technophile audience…who are troubled and confused by the Web 2.0 revolution,” and I’m worried that you’re just feeding them one side of the story that they most want to hear, rather than giving challenging them to think about these issues by giving both sides while still being critical.
Thanks for reading and I hope you’re able to reply.
-Chris
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Andrew:
Hi Chris — Nice to hear from you and thanks for such a polite and interesting note. You may well be right on the long-terms consequences of the Connolley example (my book was pretty much finished by the Fall of 2006, and I haven’t researched the later developments of all the examples in the book) and, yes, it does show the potential of Wikipedia to self-correct. A couple of thoughts however. Firstly, I suspect that the Connolley example only had a just outcome because it was so well publicized. Secondly, what Wikipedia is clearly good at is commenting on itself — thus the Connelley entry focuses more on his Wikipedia career that his scientific achievements.
Overall, I’m much less critical of Wikipedia than I was. It is a valuable resource if used sceptically. And, as I told Wales when we had a public debate last year in San Francisco, I’d really like Wikipedia if it did away with the anonymity of its editors and if they figured out a way to pay these contributors.
Anyway, glad you are finding the book stimulating. You are exactly the kind of person (open-minded and critical/sceptical) for whom I wrote the book.
Best regards,
Andrew
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My reply:
I do appreciate the quick reply, and I agree that Wikipedia can be annoyingly self-referential sometimes. Whether that incident is encyclopedia-worthy is another question in itself, though it did certainly satisfy an information need of mine. I just finished reading it today, and though I was ambivalent about some of your early examples such as that one, I did find myself with a lot of the things in the middle, especially the concerns about corporate manipulation of user generated content. I was also pleased to see you view DRM as part of the problem instead of the solution. Why punish the people who are actually playing by the rules!
I’m glad you consider me an ideal audience for the book, though maybe I should add that I’m reading it as part of a library science class on libraries and the Internet, where we read a book off a list and blog our thoughts for our classmates. So that might make me one of the monkeys banging on infinite typewriters. But I guess you could also argue that I am gaining expertise in readers’ advisory.
-Chris